Important astrology question??!
Question:
Important astrology question??
i'm born in 10 th of April; so i went to this site and most say i'm an aries but one said i'm a pisces;
link:http://www.montgomerycollege.edu/departm...
anyone thinks that this sites say the right signs?? im so confused; what about the other ppl here on yahoo answers; do you think that yu also are the previous sign? virgo becomes leo; leo becomes cancer etc.. what do you think about this, any one who is well-known about horoscopes who can discuss this with me? thank you!
Answers: Well... it depends on what type of astrology you choose to follow. There are many different types. Because people from the U.S. tend to think the entire world subscribes to "superior" U.S. culture or else they're fkt, some people never bother to search outside what's spoon-fed to them.
You've probably been to Chinese restaurants where they have Chinese astrology signs on the paper placemats, right? There's an entire system there that has nothing to do with Aries, Taurus, Gemini, etc. In the same way that stuff in the magazines and newspapers that says "Pisces: Today is a 4. A loved one has something important to tell you," is not real Western astrology, the little paragraphs on the Chinese placemats are mainly there to give you something to do till your food arrives...
Anyway, within Western astrology (the ones that use Aries, Taurus, etc...), there are two major branches of astrology.
Tropical astrology is the thing that has Aries beginning with the spring equinox.
Sidereal astrology studies charts according to the actual apparent positions of the planets as they move through the night sky.
I think it was the 3rd century A.D. when the tropical and sidereal were congruent--but don't quote me on that--google it and check. I'm just writing off the top of my head.
Most people practicing astrology in the U.S. and most of western Europe will consider you an Aries, because Tropical astrology is still most prevalent. There are the maverick siderealists who follow the shifted zodiac... and then there's this issue that you bring here which introduces Ophiuchus and wants to get all up how the ecliptic is divided.
There are many people here at Yahoo Answers who have read Linda Goodman's Sun Signs and now think they're experts, and some even shout "Astrology is a SCIENCE," which astrology is NOT a science. Astronomy is a science. Science has specific prerequisites which astrology can NOT meet. Astrology is more like philosophy, and philosophy is NOT a science. Some may argue that Logic is a science--I'm not prepared to debate that--but when we think of Hegel, Nietzsche, Hume--these guys were NOT scientists, and they'd never have claimed to be. Anyway, these astrology "experts" really don't understand the role astronomy plays in astrology. Just check the answers given to those born on June 21 asking if they're Gemini or Cancer: "you're which ever one you want to be; you're both; etc." mostly a bunch of answers that are absolutely wrong, completely ignoring astronomy. Astronomy came before astrology, and without astronomy, there is no astrology, no matter what system you study.
Let's go back to the 3rd century A.D. when the tropical and sidereal zodiac was one in the same, so all western practicing astrologers were working with the same set. Ophiuchus was still in the sky, in the same place it is now (the earth's axis has changed, but the constellations are the same). Bits of Ophiuchus was in the ecliptic even then, but it was not part of the story. This Aries...Pisces zodiac has a story, each of the constellations in that order. The idea is a circle is 360 degrees. There are 12 signs of the zodiac. 360/12=30 degrees, so each of the 12 signs were assigned 30 degrees. (This is all very Greek!) The 30 degrees roughly correspond to the space of each zodiac sign, but not really. The zero degree of the ecliptic is considered the zero degree of Aries. The 30 degree of the ecliptic is the 0 degree of Taurus. The 60 degree of the ecliptic is the 0 degree of Gemini, and so on.
The tropical zodiac is attuned to the equinoxes and solstices, and permanently sets Aries the mid-late part of March (20-22, depending on the year), and from that 0 degree of Aries, it plots the rest of the zodiac.
The sidereal zodiac observes the same 30 degree per sign notion, but it recognizes that Pisces now begins ...some day in March. I don't study sidereal, so I'm not sure exactly what dates they observe.
Then there is what you have presented us here, perhaps to have a laugh at all the stupid people who believe in astrology, not realizing that one of us here actually does know a thing or two about how it works. The link you have presented would be better served if it provided a visual image.
I'll help you out with that:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/yourhori...
I have that set for the sky facing south in Chapel Hill, NC with a 90 degree field of view. You can change it for whatever coordinates and time you like. The ecliptic is the line that cuts across and has degrees marked on it. If you experiment with it, you will see how the ecliptic cuts through Scorpio and Ophiuchus, and how the constellations are unevenly distributed. Nothing new there. Sidereal astrology sets 0 Aries at 0, 0 Taurus at 30. 0 Gemini at 60, etc. It looks like the sun is about 10 Virgo. Tropical astrology... I'm not sure the conversion off the top of my head, but I know the sun is 9 Libra today.
The thing is, I suppose the invention of the clock and the industrial revolution helped divorce astronomy from astrology for the masses. Astronomy became even more of a science (if you know any physics grad students, ask them about chemistry grad students, ask the chem grad students about the biology grad students, if you need to understand how some sciences are more science than others), and astrology became more like fortune telling--and we all know most fortune tellers didn't do so well in math class--so they forgot how we came upon using the zodiac with its 360 degrees connected to the changing seasons, and life cycles of earth.
So. If I were to draw your chart, for me, your sun would be in Aries. I would work fully from a tropical western zodiac. Someone else may use the sidereal, and they would consider you a Pisces. Someone else may have devised some form of astrology that utilizes all the constellations on the ecliptic--I've seen discussions about that, but my tropical knowledge works well enough for me. I don't know what that would be called. There is Vedic astrology from India. I don't know how it works, either. There are a couple different forms of Chinese astrology. Lots of opportunity to be a jack of all trades and a master of none, if you want. Like I said, I'm happy with my tropical. I occasionally do research into other forms, but ultimately, when I've met qualified people who study other forms, somehow we come to roughly the same interpretation for the things that count. I think what matters in any system of astrology is that you're talking with someone who understands the math--that seems to be what separates the wheat from the chaff. I mean, someone who can actually do all the math *without* a computer, and explain each step of the process.
Anyway, hope this helps a little.
Astrology is not a science.
Astrology is built upon astronomy; the foundation was to help us better fit in our environment. Most of the people posting here don't realize things like certain transiting aspects occur for everyone at a set time. I was just writing to someone about a Saturn transit--Saturn returns to its natal position 29-30 years after you're born, and we all know how age 30 and age 60 represent a step into maturity... ...eh. I'm about written out... so I'm just gonna stop here. If ya got questions, drop me a line. Source(s):
I've been drawing charts since I was 14. Let's just say more than 20 years and leave it at that! What this site does, is base the signs on the constellations. They assume that because the constellations move, that our egos change according to which sign the sun is in.
Why they're doing it? Probably to try and prove that Astrology is a load of s|-|ite. What they don't realise is that at the time astrology came into existence, those constellations were actually in the position we know now as the zodiac signs, as they are now. And it's not the constellations that give the zodiac signs their influence... so just for the record; *star signs are not BASED on constellations, they're only named after them!*
Hope that got the message across. And you're still an aries.
*edit*
Not to mention, the maker of this site obviously is unaware of the fact that solstices and equinoxes take place on the moment the sun enters a sign, and so they can vary every year. As can the dates for every star sign... hi there, i know what you are saying.
i am a virgo,yert I slip out of leo,enter virgo.All i can guess is it depends where the moon and our stars are in diffrent areas of the world.
Hope this helps. The constellations move (and because of that, the dates for the signs move also). Your sun sign is based on which zodiac sign the sun is in at the moment of your birth. The dates you see on sites are general guidelines, and they are certainly not definitive. You need your natal chart done to find out where you are for sure. Do you tend to call things how you see them ? Do arguments & fights turn you on? Do you have a big mouth? Are you an egotistical maniac?? If you answer yes to the following questions. Then you are an aries. I say just stick to western astrology. Since I am assuming you are living in the U.S.A You are an Aries hands down. I dont know what you are reading but its wrong or your just not understanding it clearly. What they mean is that the 12 zodiac signs represent growth from infant to elderly. It goes in stages. You have to really read more about that to understand it well cuz it is deep. A good book is Linda Goodman's Love signs or any book by her. She was an excellent astrologer and excellent writer plus she is Aries herself so you will find her writing clear like your mind. Hope that helps. By the way April 10th is my bday too. Depending upon what year you're born, you"re either 19 or 20 degrees of Aries. I didn't check out the site, maybe tomorrow. The simpler you keep astrology, the easier it is to understand.