Men, how did you experience your First Saturn Return that makes it so different !
Question: *** Okay, I'm not sure if i can get any replies from the male regulars cos you need to be at least 28 in order to answer this lol, & i think most are in their late teens or early 20s ***
I've read that men and women react pretty differently to their Saturn Return (be it first or second), so i am curious to find out how so. Based on my own personal experiences and those females around me, I've observed that women tend to portray these similar traits prior to turning 30:
- crying fits, sometimes apparently over 'nothing'
- nervous mental or psychological breakdown
- drastic changes made to relationships: either ending them or starting profound new ones
- drastic change of career
- questioning life's goals
Hmm...that's all I can think on for this one. So guys, help me out on this one if you're currently undergoing SR or have already survived that awful period. Thanks in advance!
Answers: *** Okay, I'm not sure if i can get any replies from the male regulars cos you need to be at least 28 in order to answer this lol, & i think most are in their late teens or early 20s ***
I've read that men and women react pretty differently to their Saturn Return (be it first or second), so i am curious to find out how so. Based on my own personal experiences and those females around me, I've observed that women tend to portray these similar traits prior to turning 30:
- crying fits, sometimes apparently over 'nothing'
- nervous mental or psychological breakdown
- drastic changes made to relationships: either ending them or starting profound new ones
- drastic change of career
- questioning life's goals
Hmm...that's all I can think on for this one. So guys, help me out on this one if you're currently undergoing SR or have already survived that awful period. Thanks in advance!
Great question!
I wish that I could claim that I had no idea what you are talking about, but that just isn't the case :) Well my EX husband and I went through them together about 7 years ago and it was not a good thing. We are only 4 months apart and so they were effectively simultaniously. Funny this was about the same time that both of us started getting much more serious about our magickal studies and the paths layed themselves out for us. Unfortunately those paths did not cross.
I come from a Ceremonial Magick background so your milage may vary. What I have seen is that Saturns place in Binah on the Tree of Life turns that restrictive nature into a destruction and growth phase for both. The difference is that Binah is the eternal feminine. So while the men are experiencing a sort of alchemical marriage of the male and female energies, we women are getting purified by dissolving all of that which is not us. While neither is comfortable I think that ours is done by a primal fire and they get a slow simmer. Because of other groups I have had the opportunity to watch this unfold time and time again. It is as if you can hear it gaining momentum and see where it is going to smack into the side of someones life. Unfortunately, seeing it coming does little to mitigate it's course. Some lessons we just have to learn.
Good luck and enjoy!
I think it's pretty similar for men, from what I've seen. I also don't know anyone who thinks of it as a horrible time. I personally loved it...and love myself more now cause of it. so, good luck and don't be fearfull. embrace it.
Lol, it's funny how no men answered this yet.. ok I'll be the one. I didn't feel anything.. you control your life, not the planets. :p It's bigoted and closeminded of people to believe that a planet millions of miles away can have any effect whatsoever on said person.To think this way is pigeonholing and stereotyping which shows a naive bias. lol... guess who I am sounding like?
it was a joke..
to famous unknown: hmm.......that's really no better to do that than the ones who say it for real.
Astrolady, could you post what you've noticed in men for their solar return? I would think a mid-life crisis results from one most commonly, but on many occasion, men have mid-life crisis around 35-40, well after the solar return. So I suppose my gemini mind is racing, curious. I really don't know exactly how it will affect me, but I'm guessing it will test my personality and self-confidence since it will be in my first house. Sorry I couldn't give any life experiences :(
I am only 22, still patiently, feafully waiting for the old man to come.......
But when i was around 13, 14 when saturn was opposite my sign, I expericend terrible family collapse. I got my loved one passed away , my dad ( i'd like to call him ex-dad ) literally left me for another woman, though he had to take care of me financially of course because its the law.......Hmmm i dont know if that is bad enough. :)
When my father had his first Saturn return, he married my mom and they had me.
Dad's Saturn is conj. his Pluto and Mercury (all within a degree), 3/5 of his 5 planet Leo stellium. The transit would have been sextile his moon/neptune conj. and square his jupiter in Scorpio. I'd say that he was probably feeling the pressure of the transformational nature of the responsibility he'd just been handed pretty strongly. Being an infant when this happened, I can only speculate, but judging from events that took place as a result of this (and also by looking at his chart....a first for me, BTW), I'd say that he probably felt pretty constrained by this (square to jupiter). I'd also say that he was probably a bit delusional and over-emotional when he took on the responsibility in the first place.
My dad was a "party" kind of a guy. If I've figured his chart correctly, 4/5 of the Leo stellium is in his 5th, saturn, pluto, mercury and venus, leaving only the sun in the 6th. the moon/neptune conj. is on either side of his desc. Jupiter in Scorp in the 8th. I could be wrong, though. I don't have a birth time for him, so it's really just guesswork. I'm probably off at least a little bit.
But anyhow, Dad was a partier from way back, saturn return kicks in, it's conj. mercury, he thinks it's time to settle down. Sextile moon/neptune and possibly desc. ...well I've said it already, here, haven't I.
Really, I think he met my mother and just wanted to get laid...a lot. Mom was gorgeous when she was young, and she was also a good catholic girl, so he wasn't getting any until they were married. If he had taken the time to think through the decision, he might have chosen differently. Her sun would be close to conj. his saturn/merc/pluto. To be honest, I've never looked at my mother's chart, so I don't know where else there could be correlation between the charts in regards to this.
Anyhow, square Jupiter, he probably figured out pretty quickly that this relationship in particular wasn't the best option for his expansive nature...he wasn't growing with it, but by that time, if I hadn't already been born, I was on my way in. This was in the early 70's, my mother was catholic, and my father came from a very religious upbringing as well...they weren't getting a divorce. Wasn't going to happen. Still hasn't.
His reaction was to become very stern and demanding and loud and overbearing and all of the rest of the bad stuff with us.
Took him pretty much until his second saturn return to stop it and chill a bit.
So that's his story, sorry I can't offer a bit more insight than this in regards to this, but was barely cognizant at the time, if not in utero.
What follows is personal - not universal, but I suspect more common than not. I believe that the Saturn return is the most overrated astrological event. I've experienced two and they were both yawners. In short virtually nothing of importance, good or bad happened to me at that time. I've had my share of good and bad fortune, but none of it was connected to Saturn returns While there are loads of people who will tell me, truthfully, that some kind of life altering experience occurred at approximate age 29, or 58, I've rarely been able to correlate it with the chart, when charts were available
For example if one has Saturn in the 7th, one might think that a Saturn return there might have negative effects on a marriage or other partnership or ones enemies somehow triumph. But it doesn't happen that way. What I have seen is that people who claim harsh Saturn returns have them occur in areas of life represented by houses that are not occupied or ruled by Saturn. Using the fictional example above, I might have someone tell me that they lost a job during a Saturn return, but with Saturn in the 7th ruling the 3rd and 4th it would be a stretch to correlate the events and the natal chart.
Furthermore this does not take into consideration the sign Saturn occupies at the birth/return. Saturn in Libra in the 7th is often the sign of a long, stable marriage. The return would symbolize a strengthening of the marriage. It's a good thing. An illness occurring to a native with Saturn in Leo ruling the 6th might be happy to have his return when the house ruler, and therefore the illness, is weak.
In cases where events associated with the Saturn return do occur in areas appropriate to the chart it seems that the Saturn return perfects within a reasonable proximity to a solar return. This has to be tight because Saturn is usually within a couple of degrees one way or the other of the natal position within the entire year, so we have to use tight orbs. Whatever we do, both events seem to be required in order to experience this "most dreaded event. "
Again, my own opinion is for the vast majority of us, it is a bogeyman; it's no big deal, but check those solar returns.