Stars Wars Episode V, 5: Failure in the cave?!
Question: Stars Wars Episode V, 5: Failure in the cave!?
I was watching star wars episode 5 the other day, one of my lesser watched episodes and i watched the chapter "the failure in the cave"!. In that chapter Luke fought this Darth Vader and killed it!. When its helmet came off some wierd face was in the helmet!. Was that Darth Vader a fake!? How did he "fail"!? Whose face was that in the darth vader helmet!? Why did Yoda not help him fight whatever that was and why did he consider it a "failure"!?
Just curious!. I never knew what actually happened in that scene!. Thanks!.Www@Enter-QA@Com
Just curious!. I never knew what actually happened in that scene!. Thanks!.Www@Enter-QA@Com
Answers:
It is part of his "Jedi trials" !.!.!. the "trials" are different for each being but in the end it always comes down to defeating the dark side inside you !.!.!. basically renouncing the power that anger can give!.
The "Vader" that Luke fought in the cave was a "Force Illusion"!. Kind of like the "holo decks" on Star Trek that someone else mentioned!.
Remember in the scene where Luke asks Yoda what is in the cave and Yoda says "Only what you take with you !.!.!." then Yoda says "Your weapons !.!.!. you will not need them!." Remember Luke's reaction to that !.!.!. he just went about putting his weapons belt on!. With that one gesture Luke's fate in the cave was sealed!. By taking his weapons he also took his fear with him!. You can NOT fight your fear !.!.!. you can only face it!. Luke fought his fear and thought he had did something good by cutting its head off but !.!.!. when the mask stopped rolling around and burst open to show his face !.!.!. it showed him his failure and showed him he still had a long way to go with his training!.
If you're asking yourself how I got all of that from the movie !.!.!. well I didn't!. Truth be told when I first saw that scene I thought it meant that Luke had won or something!. The when Yoda mentions his "failure at the cave" it started me thinking that my first thoughts were wrong!. I could never put my finger on it until I read the EU series "Jedi Academy"!. In the third book of that series one of the characters, Kyp Durron, had to face a similar "trial"!. He went into a dark temple on Yavin 4 and in that temple was a shadowy figure whose face he couldn't see!. At first he thought it was the "ghost" of the Sith Lord, Exar Kun, who had possed him and turned him to the dark side!. Kyp first decided to fight the shadow and destroy it's darkness forever!. THEN he realized what Luke didn't !.!.!. you can't fight your fear you can only face it and hope for the best!. In this case it was the right thing for Kyp to do because the "shadow" wasn't Exar Kun !.!.!. it was the spirit of his brother!. If he had attacked the "shadow" he would have been attacking his own brother much the way it seemed that Luke was fighting himself and not Vader!. His brothers spirit congratulated him on becoming a full Jedi Knight and then said farewell to him!. One of those kind of "touchy feely" kind of things but it worked well to show what Luke had done wrong during his trials in the cave!.
May The Force Be With You !.!.!.
EDIT:
Kind of forgot this one !.!.!. the mask blowing open to show Luke's face was a bit of "foreshadowing" for Vaders revelation to Luke after their duel in Cloud City!.Www@Enter-QA@Com
The "Vader" that Luke fought in the cave was a "Force Illusion"!. Kind of like the "holo decks" on Star Trek that someone else mentioned!.
Remember in the scene where Luke asks Yoda what is in the cave and Yoda says "Only what you take with you !.!.!." then Yoda says "Your weapons !.!.!. you will not need them!." Remember Luke's reaction to that !.!.!. he just went about putting his weapons belt on!. With that one gesture Luke's fate in the cave was sealed!. By taking his weapons he also took his fear with him!. You can NOT fight your fear !.!.!. you can only face it!. Luke fought his fear and thought he had did something good by cutting its head off but !.!.!. when the mask stopped rolling around and burst open to show his face !.!.!. it showed him his failure and showed him he still had a long way to go with his training!.
If you're asking yourself how I got all of that from the movie !.!.!. well I didn't!. Truth be told when I first saw that scene I thought it meant that Luke had won or something!. The when Yoda mentions his "failure at the cave" it started me thinking that my first thoughts were wrong!. I could never put my finger on it until I read the EU series "Jedi Academy"!. In the third book of that series one of the characters, Kyp Durron, had to face a similar "trial"!. He went into a dark temple on Yavin 4 and in that temple was a shadowy figure whose face he couldn't see!. At first he thought it was the "ghost" of the Sith Lord, Exar Kun, who had possed him and turned him to the dark side!. Kyp first decided to fight the shadow and destroy it's darkness forever!. THEN he realized what Luke didn't !.!.!. you can't fight your fear you can only face it and hope for the best!. In this case it was the right thing for Kyp to do because the "shadow" wasn't Exar Kun !.!.!. it was the spirit of his brother!. If he had attacked the "shadow" he would have been attacking his own brother much the way it seemed that Luke was fighting himself and not Vader!. His brothers spirit congratulated him on becoming a full Jedi Knight and then said farewell to him!. One of those kind of "touchy feely" kind of things but it worked well to show what Luke had done wrong during his trials in the cave!.
May The Force Be With You !.!.!.
EDIT:
Kind of forgot this one !.!.!. the mask blowing open to show Luke's face was a bit of "foreshadowing" for Vaders revelation to Luke after their duel in Cloud City!.Www@Enter-QA@Com
I never really understood that scene either but I translated it to be a foreshadowing of what would happen if he let his emotions and rage guide him!. If you watch Revenge of the Sith, look what happened as a result of his father's rage!. Yoda didn't help him because it's not Yoda's battle to win!. Darth Vader in the cave was the equivalent of the holodeck in Star Trek!. It looks, feels, sounds real but you can turn it off!.
Yes that was Luke's face in the mask!.Www@Enter-QA@Com
Yes that was Luke's face in the mask!.Www@Enter-QA@Com
the face was that of luke skywalker!. the actual vader in the cave wasn't a vader at all, but a sort of dream, premonition-type figure!. yoda considered luke's defeat of "vader" a failure beacuse luke gave into his aggresion and anger when he attacked the spirit!. the showing of luke's face was meant to show him that if he did not control his rage, he would turn into vader himself!. showing the face was also a clue that vader was luke's father!.
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It was luke's face in the helmet!.!.Www@Enter-QA@Com